dubstepped. And I gave you my opinion that there are elders who do stupid things but that is not the policy of Watchtower. I believe that they don't want anyone to prevent another person from reporting it, but does it does happen. But to think that a group of people will enact either a written or an unwritten rule to prevent someone from reporting a crime is insane. I have read on here so many times that people think that lawyers are running the organization because all they care about is the money. No first year law student would ever allow either a written or unwritten policy for something like this. Also my contention is it is not the responsibility to know what every member does and stop them from committing crimes. I also don't feel that they should be held liable for those crimes that someone else commits.
Richard Oliver
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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Actually no Just Fine. The DOJ report says that 12-24% of all convicted sex offenders either still on some form of supervised release or not will reoffend.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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I am looking at it from in the world of the court of law and under law where technicalities is the only thing that matter. You can focus on the court of public opinion which you are correct it doesn't look good.
But in reality the courts can only deal with actual facts of the law and not people's opinions and statements.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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Outlaw:
I don't' think you have the mental ability to understand when I said present an instance, where I claimed a fact. Ray Franz thing is my opinion and you know that. As a fact that I have presented that is wrong.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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I don't believe that there is a policy to stop people from reporting to the police. Both in 1991, 1997 and 2008 in the publications of Watchtower it states that if a serious crime is committed by a witness against another witness, that the victim is able to report to secular authorities and that it would not be a part of the prohibition of taking one's brother to court. Were there elders who committed Clergy Malpractice, by encouraging people not to go to the police? I do believe that occurred. But that does not mean that it was a policy. Nowhere in all the documents, that many people here reference as such damning documents from Service, does it ever say that one can or should be punished for going to the police or that one should be discouraged from going to the police if they feel that they have been a victim of this type of crime. If there is an instance, please present it to me, again not how you can spin it or interpret a statement, but it actually saying that they should prevent someone from going to the police. I have never seen anyone from preventing another person from getting professional help from a professional mental health professional. The statements that have been made is that you want to be careful in the actual person that you select, but it never discouraged anyone from speaking with a professional. This is an anecdotal experience, but I suffered from deep depression while I was a witness and was encouraged by every elder and a number of COs to go and speak with a psychiatrist. Has other people experienced different things? I am sure that they have. But that doesn't make it a policy.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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Tell me one fact outlaw that I presented as fact that is wrong. Please tell me.
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Watchtower let off the hook by the UK charities commission
by jambon1 insay what they like, but it's a definite withdrawal of pressure.
the commission is slow, needlessly protracted and inconsiderate of the extent to which ongoing damage is being carried out.. scrap it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/watch-tower-statement-on-administrative-court-proceedings.
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Vidiot:
You do know that someone tried to sue Watchtower and Don and Joel Adams under the civil RICO statute.
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Voting At Meetings
by Spoletta inwhy is it that the watchtower finances are cloaked in secrecy, yet when the congregation is ask to approve extra donations to the organization, the voting is in public, so everyone can see who is "loyal" to jehovah.. hmm... i think i just answered my question.
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Many of the bylaws of the corporations that congregations have requires that money spent over a certain amount has to be handled by a vote of it's members. Some of those bylaws require a secret ballot. In fact the current bylaws of the title holding congregation corporation, that is in line with the branches directions in the US is if someone objects to the manner of the vote, that the vote must be conducted by a paper ballot.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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yes outlaw, that is exactly how I feel, oh wait no it isn't if someone presents an actual fact to me, I will listen for as long as it takes for you to be done presenting it. but if you come at me with emotion and anecdotal experiences and your opinion I will stand up and fight for what the facts are saying.
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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files
by Richard Oliver ini have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.
i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.
it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.
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No, because no matter what I say and present actual facts it is dismissed because of your emotions. I never wanted to say that according to the DOJ only 12-24 percent of convicted abusers will re-offend, because it will get into emotions of everyone on here attacking me as being insensitive. Or the fact that the 1006 perpetrators were not only accused of sexual contact with a child but such things as inappropriate texting with a child or any number of things that could be construed as inappropriate activity with children, but of course I would be accused of trying to move the focus away from the abuse. No matter what facts I have said no one sees the facts only what you want to see of the suspected abuse.